10/06/08

May 2008

Landlords call new Section 8 law costly


But housing advocates applaud tenant protection

Mark Engel, who owns 102 West 79th Street, said smaller landlords can't handle the law's paperwork.

By Marc Ferris


City landlords say a new law that makes it illegal for them to turn away tenants who use Section 8 vouchers to pay their rent is going to cost them both time and money.

"I have two people who work full time in my office whose sole responsibility is to deal with tracking money owed by Section 8," said Mark Engel, who owns 8,500 units, about 1,500 of which are rented to tenants using the voucher system.

"It places an unfair burden on property owners," said Engel, whose apartments are in four boroughs of New York City and in lower Westchester. "We're a large company, and we can handle it. A smaller owner can't carry the arrears or keep up with the paperwork."

The law passed the City Council in late March and was implemented immediately. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who vetoed the law before the council overrode him, said that while he supports the expansion of the Section 8 subsidy program, this approach unfairly turns a voluntary federal program into a mandatory one.

The vouchers, issued by the Department of Housing and Urban Development and administered by local agencies, pay landlords up to 30 percent of a tenant's monthly adjusted gross income for rent and utilities. To qualify in the city, the current income threshold is around $38,000 a year for a family of four. The tenant makes up the difference in the rent of the market-rate unit.

While housing advocates have applauded the move as a groundbreaking measure that will give lower-income tenants more options, the landlord community is looking into the possibility of a legal challenge. New York City currently has roughly 85,000 Section 8 residents and expects to add another 22,000 to the system.

"We think there are grounds for legal action, but we haven't determined if we will proceed," said Frank Ricci, director of government affairs at the Rent Stabilization Association, which represents landlords.

The chances of overturning the law seem unlikely. Several other cities (including Washington, D.C., and Chicago), along with the state of New Jersey, mandate that landlords accept Section 8 vouchers. Court rulings have upheld state and local laws.

Engel said he knows of several Section 8 horror stories, like the tenant who refused to allow access to an apartment even though it needed significant repairs. While the tenant held out, the voucher payments ceased, and the landlord lost six months of rent.

Engel also said some annual lease renewals aren't processed for two or three years, and the voucher payments don't reflect the increases. He noted the new law, which allows tenants who believe they have been victims of discrimination to file a claim before the city's Commission on Human Rights, has negative implications for all landlords.

"I'm concerned about if I turn down tenants for bad credit or for not paying rent, and before we get to housing court, they take me to the commission and blame it on Section 8 — and not the real reason why they've had housing problems," Engel said.



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Anonymous

this homeowner refuses section 8 voucher holders

location - 186 Schaefer at Schaefer Street

Comment #1 Posted By: Anonymous 06/17/08

Anonymous

Subsidiaries management office listed on the HUD/NYCHA website do not assist or accept section 8 voucher holders

Comment #2 Posted By: Anonymous 06/17/08

Albert Gurevich, Esq.

Legal challenge is not likely to succeed, since the law appears to be constitutional. Even the section 8 law itself prohibits discrimination against section 8 tenants.

Comment #3 Posted By: Albert Gurevich, Esq. 06/25/08

Anonymous

I have contacted various management office located on the HUD website regarding assistance with my section 8 voucher and I was declined. If this law is true and relevant than this information needs to be distributed to all landlords, homeowners, management offices, and real estate office as well. Apposed to New Jersey, Staten Island, and the Bronx, I find Queens and Brooklyn to be the most discriminatory of all.

Comment #4 Posted By: Anonymous 07/01/08

Anonymous

i agree with the comment above absolutely.

Comment #5 Posted By: Anonymous 07/18/08

Anonymous

i agree all these landlords are turning me away .i had my voucher for 3 months now and it is so depressing because i need a place to stay and all these landlords are not accepting the program.i am in brooklyn so is my family and it is so hard in my flatbush neighborhood it is definitely discrimination.i do not know what else to do

Comment #6 Posted By: Anonymous 08/08/08

Anonymous

HAVING A VOUCHER AND BEING DISABLED IS ANOTHER PROBLEM.AND GOD FORBID IF YOU HAVE A PET FOR HEALTH REASONS. STATEN ISLAND IS ANOTHER TROUBLE SPOT.
SECTION EIGHT VOUCHERS LITERALY FORCE YOU TO LIVE IN HELL HOLES.
IF YOU ARE WHITE YOU OUT OF LUCK . JUST READ THE ADS ON CRAIGS LIST .
THIS PROGRAM IS A BUST. NY LAW DOESNT HELP MANY
LANDLORDS WILL ALWAYS FIND A REASON TO BLOCK YOU
THEY ONLY MENTION TERRIBLE SECTION EIGHT TENANTS YET IGNORE THAT SECTION EIGHT IS VERY STRICT DOES YEARLY INSPECTIONS PAYS MONEY DIRECTLY TO LANDLORD, AND WILL KICK TENANT OFF SECTION EIGHT IF TENANT DOESNT PAY OR KEEP APARTMENT IN GOOD CONDITION.
USUALLY PLACES WITH TROUBLE WERE HELLHOLES TO START WITH WITH LANDLARD NOT CARING.
AND FORGET ABOUT PRIVATE HOUSES! THOSE LANDLORD DICRIMINATE BLANTANTLY.
I HATE HAVING SECTION EIGHT . IT MAKES YOU INTO A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN

Comment #7 Posted By: Anonymous 08/16/08

Anonymous

section eight is usually only accepted in dangerous neighborhoods . if you are white or have pets you are forced to live in the worst areas. landlords like the jerk in article ignore the fact that section eight has built in protections for landlords. what protects landlords from regularly paying tenants?
i hate section eight we are treated like scum and no one including bloomberg doesnt care.

Comment #8 Posted By: Anonymous 09/04/08

Anonymous

Section 8 is actually a good program if everybody plays their part meaning the landlord and tenants. Im on the section8 program and my experience has been alot of money hungry home owners living above there means renting crappy apartments out that they wouldnt dare live in themselves even though they own them. Ive been a good tenant but the landlords I have rented from in the last 5 years have turned out to be a living nightmare for me and my family! Who do they blame for that?

Comment #9 Posted By: Anonymous 09/23/08

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