11/21/08

October 2008

Which neighborhoods will take biggest knock?


FiDi seen as leading bear market victim; $3 million-plus units to get hit hard everywhere

The Financial District, which has a number of new condo and high-end rental projects, could be among the first neighborhoods to see price drops.

By Alex Ulam


With New York City's financial sector freefalling, real estate industry insiders are expecting price drops across the board. But certain neighborhoods will probably be hit harder than others by the chaos on Wall Street.

Outer-borough neighborhoods and fringe areas in places like upper Manhattan are already feeling softening because of the overall dampened economy. However, the Financial District, the Upper East Side, Midtown and certain suburbs that are popular among Wall Streeters are likely to feel the most impact from the financial service layoffs, brokers said.

Daniel Baum, chief executive officer of the Real Estate Group New York, a brokerage, said the Financial District, which has a number of new condo and high-end rental projects, could be among the first neighborhoods to see price drops.

"A lot of financial people chose to live in the Downtown market because of the ease of being able to walk right out their door to their office," he said. "So it wouldn't surprise me to see sluggish sales in that area."

Baum also singled out the Upper East Side. "A lot of middle management people have established their families there," he said. "And I don't see them looking to upgrade."

In the past year, the city's financial sector has lost approximately 10,000 jobs. Last month — when it was shaken to its core with Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy filing and purchase by Barclays, Bank of America's acquisition of Merrill Lynch, JPMorgan's buyout of Washington Mutual and several other emergency rescue deals  — the New York State Department of Labor projected that an additional 40,000 jobs could be eliminated in the coming year.

Barry Hersh, clinical assistant professor at New York University's Real Estate Institute, said that the direct impact of the layoffs could be felt in a wide variety of neighborhoods, especially those in close proximity to financial services firms. While the swing factor would be how many residents bought in those neighborhoods in expectation of an easy commute, neighborhoods that Hersh mentioned as possibly vulnerable include Midtown near the Plaza Hotel (where a lot of hedge funds are clustered), Long Island City, and even Hoboken.

"More than half of Wall Street's business is in Midtown," Hersh said. "And it will also affect Westchester and Greenwich."

Hersh noted also that next year, the real estate market will not experience the bumps in prices that it generally has had in February and March, when many traders and investment bankers typically receive their bonuses. (Last month, the state's comptroller said bonus reductions on Wall Street could rival the cuts seen after the 2001 terrorist attacks, with bonuses off by 50 percent.) The fallout, of course, would not only reduce the tax revenue the city and state would collect (Governor David Paterson said every 10 percent drop in bonus money would cost the state $350 million), but would also mean less Wall Street money going into real estate purchases.

Last year, Wall Street bonuses totaled $33.2 billion, or an average of about $180,000 a person. That figure was down 2 percent from the record in 2006.

Other sources noted that financial sector workers are too broadly dispersed to make any accurate predictions about which neighborhoods will see the most impact.

"If you look at the city as a whole, the amount of layoffs is still a small percentage of the people who live here," said Noah Freedman, principal in the real estate brokerage Bond New York.

"I wouldn't say that more than 5 percent of the people we deal with work on Wall Street," he said, adding, "I think that what will have an impact on real estate here will be the overall slump in the economy."

In general, Wall Street's employees account for only about 5 percent of the city's jobs. However, according to city stats, they account for 23 percent of all wages earned in the five boroughs.

Some sources said that the biggest impact of the Wall Street meltdown may show up at one particular price point — in markdowns of trophy apartments.

"There are more apartments on the market for more than $20 million than there have been for a very long time," said Barbara Fox, president of the Fox Residential Group, an Upper East Side boutique real estate firm. "That is the Wall Street market with the big bonuses — that is the market that is going to be the most significantly affected."

Jonathan Miller, president of Miller Samuel, the real estate appraisal and consultant business, also sees Wall Street's recent travails as impacting buyers and sellers in specific price strata rather than in certain neighborhoods.

But in contrast to Fox, he pegged a slightly lower price bracket as the one that is likely to feel the most pain.

"I would say that the bottom half of the top 10 percent is going to be more affected than the top," Miller said. "I see that there is a higher concentration of Wall Street at the $3 to $8 million range versus the $8 million and above. I just think that price point is more vulnerable whether it is the Upper East Side or Downtown — I think that there is a stereotype that investment bankers only buy Park Avenue co-ops, which is untrue." 



Comments

Steve Hirsch

I'm a broker for a small firm and what I am reading and seeing is a good thing. Rental prices need to drop down to a level where people are actually able to afford to live and pay rent. A 1 bedroom for $4300 is a disgusting show of greed by the landlord and an insult to most working people. Only a very small percentage of the working class can afford this "disposable income" type of apartment. In order for firms like mine and even the large ones to do more business, we need to have inventory at a level where more people can afford the rent. And for purchases, I hope the housing crash brings the market down to a level where people can afford to buy again and to live comfortably without taking million dollar loans to live in a 750 sq.ft. hubble.

Comment #1 Posted By: Steve Hirsch 10/15/08

Anonymous

To peg out just the Financial District is somewhat odd. The Financial District is still priced extremely low compared to other neighborhoods. Chelsea, Gramercy, UWS, UES are all priced substantially higher than the Financial District. Danial Baum is also the same idiot that claimed rents were going down when they clearly were not. Just because a broker says something doesn't mean it's true.

Comment #2 Posted By: Anonymous 10/18/08

Anonymous

Prices may not have dropped tremendously yet, but concessions are through the roof. Some financial district apartment buidlings are offering 3 months free rent plus they pay the brokers fee. Only last summer brokers would hang up on you if you asked for a no-fee apartment. For renters only planning on staying 1-3 years (like well over 75% of my tenants) that could amount to a net decrease of 8% on a 3 yr tenancy and up to 34% on a 1 year tenancy!!!

Comment #3 Posted By: Anonymous 10/20/08

Anonymous

continued from above.....
Additionally, dont think landlords are pocketing the difference between their asking rents from 5 years ago and their asking rents today (or last summer for that matter). Aside from the rise in building materials (do you think the same renovation done for a $2,000 unit would pass for a 4,000 unit??) and especially OIL, the city taxes us based on what our properties are worth in todays market. So Mr. Comment #1 even if a landlord decided to rent out his units at below market value he'd still be taxed at market value? That being said I do hope rents come down to affordable levels, however taxes must drop as well and stabilized renters who are well below market rents should be increased at higher increments then they have been. They key to this is for the city to cut down on its spending. I dont think its right for the city to pay what it does in social and other services (and yes as a landlord I see plenty of irresponsible spending) when the avergae hard working market renter is paying over 50% of his after tax income to pay his or her rent.

Comment #4 Posted By: Anonymous 10/20/08

Anonymous

With regard to what some are commenting about rents being too high--does it occur to these people that the owners of many of these apartments are barely getting by--even with the high rents? What is the first thing the city does when it gets in trouble--you guessed it--RAISE THE ALREADY OBSCENE PROPERTY TAXES. That $4300 a month one bedroom "hubble" is probably losing money for the owner--and this owner is for Obama! So political affilation is not the issue.

Comment #5 Posted By: Anonymous 10/27/08

Anonymous

no one tells you that you have to live in Manhattan, if you choose to live in the other boroughs of NYC, you are not paying 4300 to live in a 1 bedroom. if the rent is really obscenely high, then the owner will have to lower their rents, but if someone is renting there, then obviously it is the market rate. there will always be someone that cannot afford the rental rate for any given unit, so when it comes down to the level that you deem "affordable", there will be someone behind you talking about how obscene the rent is. it's very simple, rent where you can afford, such is life.

Comment #6 Posted By: Anonymous 11/03/08

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